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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | on my own |
| Date: | Wednesday, 14th Nov 2007 10:51 |
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I received this email yesterday too.
My concern is the opening of the CV database to those who pay: candidates already on the database, how does the opening of the database comply with the Data Protection Act?
By the way, I'm not worried about Reed as a competitor; every candidate I've ever spoken to and successfully placed who has applied directly to Reed for internal roles has never once been contacted by them. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | StopFreeloaders |
| Date: | Wednesday, 14th Nov 2007 13:11 |
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To be fair to reed they are still offering 500 free job posts a year and this costs them money to do!.
Frankly if I were read I wouldn’t give any free job posting away it must be costing them a small fortune to provide this service!
I’m amazed they have given recruiters so much free advertising for so long!
Job seekers to a website are expensive to get, effective marketing is expensive and costs are increasing. I think recruiters need to wake up to the real cost of securing job seekers to a job site in the first place. In some cases they are paying over £1 a click to get job seeker visitors to their website and those visitors may not even look at any advertised Jobs, let alone apply for them!
Reed have great market reach and an effective solution. If you are a recruiter sourcing candidates via reed and posting more than 40 jobs a month with them, start paying for the service. Their solution obviously works for you or you wouldn’t be using them, so stop being so tight with your money!
My only regrets with Reed charging are that they should have started doing it earlier and they still shouldn’t be giving away free advertising.
“Freerecruit” has in my opinion, helped devalue online job advertising and helped the free loading recruiter mentality flourish in the recruitment advertising sector.
This move from Reed has been long over due and I would expect them to eventually drop giving away the 500 job adverts per client – this is at great cost to them and they don’t need to do it.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | i disagree with "stop freeloader |
| Date: | Wednesday, 14th Nov 2007 13:25 |
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what a load of rubbish "SF" do you have soemthing to gain from this?
I totally disagree with what you are saying - its not like Reed havent got anything from the web site, all that advertising hasn't helped their business? thats why they didnt bat an eye lid to giving away £100,000 to the guy that came up with the idea! no because regardless it was going to make them a fortune! no they are just out for more!
someone should start there own up, in fact i might just do that with no charges ever! - watch this space! |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Not a Freeloader |
| Date: | Wednesday, 14th Nov 2007 13:32 |
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I totally agree with freeloaders comments...i.e if your using it..pay for it...that`s why job boards that offer it free and only have at the most 1% of reed`s marketing strength will never deliver quality candidates and will not survive
you cannot give something away free for ever, and most freeloaders already know that..it`s been chewed over so many times here...So good on you Reed |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | on my own |
| Date: | Wednesday, 14th Nov 2007 14:21 |
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err, can we get back to the question of data protection please?
and by the way, if you want to start slagging off 'freeloaders' please be aware that Reed is not just a board for 'recruiters'. Many major companies advertise their own internal jobs on Reed too. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Dougal |
| Date: | Wednesday, 14th Nov 2007 14:51 |
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Hi All,
I think you are all missing the point. The reason why Reed is so busy and popular is because it is 'FREE'. Otherwise, you may as well use other job posting sites with well established cv databases.
It was always free because when you post a job it gets sent straight to the nearest branch to that vacancy! This has never been a big issue because they aren't like the Job centre or similar where you have to give the end clients details etc. Nothing is for free in this entire world, everything has a purpose. I think if they start charging they have lost their niche.
I use reed and I haven't had the email yet?
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Not a freeloader |
| Date: | Wednesday, 14th Nov 2007 15:16 |
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(It was always free because when you post a job it gets sent straight to the nearest branch to that vacancy)
You are correct...plus any candidates applying are also targetted by reed first, which I believe is still the case |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | on my own |
| Date: | Wednesday, 14th Nov 2007 15:30 |
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I used to think this was the case not a freeloader, but no-one I have ever placed via Reed has ever been contacted by Reed, and in fact, many people I've spoken to this year have applied directly for Reed jobs and never been contacted by them. (yes, they do have the skills, experience necessary because I've been able to place them) |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Not a freeloader |
| Date: | Wednesday, 14th Nov 2007 16:14 |
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I stand corrected...
(...plus any candidates applying are also targetted by reed first, which I believe is still the case )
I know this use to be the case , as candidates did mention this...maybe different sector candidates were not approched |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Simon |
| Date: | Wednesday, 14th Nov 2007 20:25 |
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My company has also received the email..........
REED has allowed many small start ups to be succesful, but at the same time they have cleverly used those posting on their site to BUILD the REED website.
Its a bit like giving away free bricks so you can build a wall to keep the wind off, but you must take my bricks which are coloured yellow. People take the FREE bricks and benefit but then all the walls eventuallly meet and those who have been taking FREE bricks now find that they have closed themselves in and the only way out is to pay. The wall is owned by REED and has been built by those taking FREE bricks.
Many small agencies will go to the WALL. There will be many fuming and Angry recruitment consultants out there.
They have built up business and supported livelihoods now they are beginning to destroy and damage livlihoods
REED have given promises thast they WILL always be FREE,
I have a letter to prove it dated 1999.
Is betrayal a word that exists in business? perhaps not?
This is called Buisiness |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Interested |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 09:42 |
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Simon,
Thats a bit strong. "Many small agencies will go to the wall"
If they have a business model that is based on securing candidates via free advertising that is NO business and they have no place in business!.
In addition Reed are still providing a massive 500 free job adverts!!
Also, i have absolutely no sympathy what so ever, no one forced a recruiter to use Reed to source candidates and many have made good sales turnover on the back of Reeds marketing.
Using your "Yellow Bricks" story - They didnt have to take any Bricks! |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | StopFreeloaders |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 10:16 |
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FAO I disagree with “stop freeloaders”
You are conclusive proof that you have absolutely no idea, like many recruiters, of the scale of investment that Reed have to put in on an ongoing basis to secure the levels of traffic they have by your flippant remark:-
“Someone should start there own up, in fact I might just do that with no charges ever! - watch this space!”
The fact is that it takes many years for a job board to establish on the internet that’s why less than 1% make it!. It takes significant marketing capital to get off the ground and in the current climate to replicate a job board as successful as reeds would cost you absolutely millions!.
They invest significant sums of capital into marketing on a daily basis. An ABCe audit carried out in February this year recorded their monthly traffic at a massive 1.4 million unique visitors!!
To put that into perspective for you if you started a generalist job site on the internet (ignoring the development / technology/ Hosting costs etc, etc) you would need to spend at least £280,000 a month just on pay per click marketing to achieve Reeds traffic levels and it would probably be higher than this because they target higher demand job seeker traffic in areas such as sales, financial services, accountancy etc etc where the traffic acquisition costs are even higher – If you were spending that kind of money would you offer your services for free? – I doubt it!!
In all, when Reed started the Job board they probably didn’t expect the internet to become as powerful as it or the cost for marketing to increase to the levels we now see.
It’s simply not possible for any company to fund on an ongoing basis a job board the size of reeds and not receive anything back towards the costs!
Reed are very right to charge for the service and as ive already posted, if the solution works for you then pay for it. You don’t offer to place candidates for your clients for free so why should reed supply you with candidates for free?
Stop Freeloaders!
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Johnboy |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 10:20 |
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melaniem,
reed have called and quoted £18,000 per year for job posting
As long as you can make a couple of placements from them a year its sounds like good value.
May i ask how many jobs a month you are posting for that level of charge and do you know how many placements you make?
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Marcus Pearce |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 10:47 |
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We have also been contacted by Reed as we asked for clarification on the 500 free jobs per year allowance.
It is not allowing you to have 500 jobs live for a year!
The way it is going to work is as follows:-
1. Add a new vacancy to the reed site.
2. Select up to a maximum time of 6 weeks for it to be live.
3. That counts as one of your 500 allowed postings.
4. After the selected live period in point 2. if you still wish the vacancy to be live, you renew it for a further time period... up to a maximum of 6 weeks again.
5. This counts as another posting against your 500 annual free allowance.
So the practice of renewing live jobs on a regular basis, to bring them to the top of the search engine, has effectively been stopped.
This 500 free jobs allowance effectively means you can have 62 live jobs per every 6 weeks (assuming 48 week working year).
So anyone who has more than 62 locations of vacancies will have to plan very carefully!
We currently have in excess of 400 jobs and locations in the UK, so are very interested on the actual cost to preserve the existing position.
I feel that other boards may adjust their pricing structures to entice unhappy recruiters away from the newly proposed pay service at Reed.
Reed have refused to give any indication of cost before next Monday.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Dominic Sumners |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 11:19 |
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Reed is not a registered charity and therefore have the ability to charge what they like for their product. And customers also have the right to buy or not.
The only factor that could affect this would be if Reed were abusing a monopolistic position - this is clearly not the case as online recruitment media is one of the most competitive of any sector. And Monster Total Jobsite fish4 would be delighted to quote for your business.
And thats about it isnt it...its just free market capitalism.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | on my own |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 11:33 |
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All I can say is that we are all going to have to tighten up on our procedures.
I know of several large companies that pay for monster/totaljobs CVdatabase access, then place vacancies with Rec2rec's, accept CV's from them, and then phone the agency back to say "we've already got this persons CV". Or, "this person has applied directly to us" When in fact, they've looked on the databases and seen an old version of this persons CV and never contacted the candidate themselves until they've effectively been "pre-screened" by an agency.
Will the opening up of the Reed database encourage more companies to do this, given that monster/total allow download of as many CV's as you like.
Will this situation end up annoying candidates even further?
Will we all end up putting a pre-screening clause in our TOB?
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Jobboarder |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 12:01 |
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Marcus,
You make some great points however, i think you are wrong to assume that other job boards might change pricing to attract reeds customer base.
The fact is that a number of the recruiters using reed are just plain freeloaders, no use to ANY job board, they are a complete liability and a drain on a marketing resource and either dont want to pay anything or dont yet understand the advantages of effective online advertising
Unless the recruitment agency pays to advertise its simply not viable to invest in marketing to support them. The recruiters that are not freeloaders that currently post on reed probably already pay to advertise elsewhere in addition to Reed.
I bet if Reed were to add up the cost for supplying free candidates to competitor recruitment agencies over the last few years it would run into tens of millions.
They are right to charge, it makes good business sense and lets not forget they are still providing 500 free job posts!! |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Not a freeloader |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 14:33 |
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(REED has allowed many small start ups to be succesful)
This says it all
many recruiters have gained successful business on the back of free postings on reed
How many can say that about other job boards...
It`s time to start paying , or go elsewhere ...
Good luck to reed
Also when it`s free...there seems to be a lack of proffesionalism ...on both sides |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Eddy Jones |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 14:59 |
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Absolutely hysterical!!
REED I DON’T KNOW YOUR PRICES BUT “IT’S A RIP OFF”
Listen to yourselves. You get 500 free adverts! If you don't like it don't pay.
I take it none of you were around when Computer Weekly were charging £35k for a 1 page ad in the magazine.
Let's hope Reed and every other job board doubles their prices - as they surely will.
Only the best will then survive |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | PJ |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 15:07 |
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To be honest I always found it surprising that you could stick an advert In reed free and pick up three or four decent candidates at a certain salary level and hey presto you have a great chance of a placement .....now if you could only get exclusivity from the client then you were really in business. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Eddy Jones |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 15:14 |
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I imagine that anyone submitting their CV to the database would have had to tick a box stating they were willing for anyone to view their data.
I can' t imagine that Reed have not thought this one through and sought professional advice.
To be honest anyone sticking their CV on the internet waives all rights to protecting their data (in my humble opinion). |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | StopFreeloaders |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 15:38 |
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FAO I disagree with “stop freeloaders”
“That’s why they didn’t bat an eye lid to giving away £100,000 to the guy that came up with the idea”
I’m beginning to wonder if this is an “urban myth” a bit like:-
“A friend of mine knows someone who eats Kentucky Fried Chicken in the cinema and it was a rat!”
Or
“My friend helped a women with her shopping in the supermarket and she said “Shhh, stay away from Manchester tomorrow”
I’ve never seen any press articles or factual information ever to confirm that the creator of the Reed concept got 100k as being true?
The fact is that IF it was true that guy who supposedly got £100,000 for his idea would be sitting on millions now providing of course he had stuck with it and continued working to build the business.
The reality is that back then no one knew how big online advertising would be, in just the same way that people who sold established websites a few years back probably regret not holding out longer.
Eddy Jones
Spot On - 100% agree with you
Reed do not need to spend money supporting recruiters that are not prepared to invest in them - IMO they have a good percentage of accounts they service that are nothing but a liability and drain on their resources as they are recruiters that wouldnt pay for anything - its that simple.
Despite this, Reed are still providing 500 free job posts per accounts. If you ask me thats 500 to many!
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Yid Army |
| Date: | Thursday, 15th Nov 2007 17:24 |
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I like the Reed website and appreciate all the help they have brought to my business in the past few years.
The response I get far outweighs the rivals in quality and volume and I will be happy to get on board with their new prices.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Karen Lankly |
| Date: | Friday, 16th Nov 2007 10:27 |
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I agree - Reed have been very good to us over the years and have delivered a quality candidate response - all for free. We also use other jobs boards that we pay for, but none of them have delivered as good a response as Reed. I don't believe that free necessarily means poor quality and we will be happy to start paying for our advertising on Reed, providing it is competitively priced.
I have received a call from Reed this morning offering their new products and it seems that the paid for, branded 'premium' ads will rank above the 500 free ones - no rate card yet, but they will apparently be contacting me shortly to discuss rates and package options.
The problems we have had with Reed have been more to do with a few unscrupulous agencies advertising the same badly written vacancy 20 or 30 times in slightly different ways and at ridiculously inflated salaries just to attract candidates.......you know who you are..... and we are hoping that this new paid for service will stop those agencies advertising multiple duplicate or generic ads when they have to pay for them. If the quality of the ads on Reed improves, so should the quality of the candidate response.
I think the £18,000 p.a. quoted earlier in this thread seems very high, but perhaps that relates to an agency Reed no longer want as a customer or a very large one - I guess the costs will be tailored to the volume of ads and that large national multi sector agency will not be charged the same fees as a small specialist one.
Has anybody else been quoted or received a rate card? |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | PJ |
| Date: | Friday, 16th Nov 2007 11:36 |
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The last two posts gives us all hope - nothing wrong with freeloading in my book - but when you get ungrateful freeloaders then you start siding with Reed. Some agencies spend zilch on advertising......and still complain. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | JamesEdwards |
| Date: | Friday, 16th Nov 2007 12:20 |
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Agree with you PJ
You just couldnt make it up... I was amazed to read some of the posts here from ungrateful recruiters complaining about Reed after all the free canidates that Reed have supplied them with over the years!
They that think Reed somehow should support them with more free advertising. They clearly dont understand how much it costs to market a business online effectively!
The only busines that Reed will lose from this are clients that wouldnt pay for online advertising anyway. I find it amazing that recruiters have forgot how expensive offline print advertising is in relation to online
James
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Simon Rafferty |
| Date: | Friday, 16th Nov 2007 15:16 |
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My Point is that i have a letter from REED DATED 2001 saying that they will NEVER CHARGE? Yes i kept it for this day.
The fact that they have now decided to charge, what do you make of this.
Its not about being ungrateful and yes they have helped many businesses, but it is plainly dishonest.
I could start a venture for the general public and say "come on boys and girls its FREE and then some time down the road damage a lot of people, and say well i have changed the rules.
If this forum is not biased -post my comment.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | PJ |
| Date: | Friday, 16th Nov 2007 16:24 |
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Simon I am going to be pedantic here and ask you if it is dated 2001 or as previously stated 1999. I do not disbelieve you but I am surprised they put in writing words to the effect we will never charge. Companies rarely make such life long commitments. If they have then you have every right to feel a little aggrieved. It would be nice if someone from Reed came on and cleared this up as well as a few other issues as well. Then we might all be a bit wiser. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Jon Ritchie |
| Date: | Friday, 16th Nov 2007 16:51 |
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I must say, having read all the comments here, and taking into consideration many of the 'Reed' biased comments - (many of whom I might add seem to have lots of pro Reed information at the ready), I am sure there are a few people on Reed's payrole here, perhaps they are being given free-slots by way of compensation? |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | RoyRoggers |
| Date: | Friday, 16th Nov 2007 17:27 |
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Jon
Rubbish - i bet no one from reed has even read this thread let alone posted on it!.
Simon,
Anyway, whatever marketing material you may have read from 1999 or even 2001is obviously not applicable now.
Which ever way you look at this back in 1999 their was absolutely no possible way that Reed could know that a) internet advertising was going to become the main source of candidates for recruiters and b) the increased costs in driving candidates to their website.
Bottom line - if its not working for you dont use them - If it is working for you then pay for it.
Reed do not owe you anything nor should they. I bet during the years you have used Reed you have not so much as sent a thankyou note let alone a contribution to their costs from the income from your fees recieved as a result of candidates they have sent you!.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | SIMON |
| Date: | Friday, 16th Nov 2007 17:34 |
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JR and PJ
You guys seem to be straight and do not have biased scent i am feeling on this forum.
Regarding the letter - i have just turned round to my dusty lever Arch and pulled out the letter.
To be precise it was dated September 2001 and signed by a Mr James Reed Cief Execuitve
It displays an agency code (my agency i guess) and also displays a fast-track code. I am sure others also have it - I would be happy to scan an image and send it to anyone, and i challenge Mr James Reed to deny it. He would not dare im 100%
The exact words which appear at the bottom of the letter as a PS say PS" We pledge this is not an introductory offer. Reed has no intention of ever charging for this service.
As i said before i know Reed have helped a lot of agencies start up. But once a company says one thing and then does another, well we all know this can bring down the integrity of an industry that has for years been struggling to wash off the stain of Cowboy.
I feel REED should withdraw their site and put it down to a bad business decision and a misguided venture by Mr Reed to bring eternally Free Recruitment to the UK which was his dream.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Jon Ritchie |
| Date: | Friday, 16th Nov 2007 18:06 |
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I totally agree with Simon - a pledge is a pledge, end of.
Roy Roggers - dont be so naive, it is entirely possible, they know this could have a potentially huge impact on some within the industry.
The next few weeks will be interesting to say the least, Simon - I may well take you up on that offer of the scanned document. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Simon |
| Date: | Friday, 16th Nov 2007 18:20 |
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JR
The s**t will hit the Fan next week.
This string is on target to beat the last biggest string EVER to appear on this forum, which coinicidentally was about circa 53 (please do not correct me any one) and the subject was JOB BOARDS
If a major player can renege on a pledge, it is not good for the integrity of the Recruitmnent Industry. END OF.
Watch this space, i will not be the last to come up with the letter.
Im signiing off till Monday
Cheers |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | The Insider |
| Date: | Saturday, 17th Nov 2007 11:57 |
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Two points though before explode in fury any further - firstly 2001 is a long time ago, and secondly Reed promised to never charge for its free job posting service and it still isn't - you can continue to get 500 free postings.
I reckon 500 job postings on Jobsite costs about £3,000 if you're a big agency able to buy in the largest bulk category - and guess it's even more if you're not buying thousands at a time? Reed gives you a larger, better audience for free. It will continue to do that for each and every one of its 10,000 agency customers. Unless I'm missed something that is going to be £30 million+ of free advertising being donated to the recruitment agency market by Reed every 12 months. Start complaining when Totaljobs, Jobsite and Monster begin giving £30 million of business away!!
Yes, if people that want more than 500 job postings they won't be free, you'll be able to buy additional slots. If Reed's prices are competitive and the site provides good value candidates then you'll buy these - if not, you won't. That's the market - Reed doesn't expect to get a free ride vs other job boards, and neither should you! |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | PJ |
| Date: | Sunday, 18th Nov 2007 09:31 |
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OH come on guys......there is no way reed can keep supplyng free candidates forever....a 'no intention of charging' promise back in 2001 does not sound to me like a cast iron guarantee of free recruitment forever. Free recruitment encourages lazy, abusive practises such as numerous repeat adverts
( some badly written), constant renewing, fishing for candidates etc etc. I just wonder what percentage of jobs on Reed are 'real and live' at any moment in time. As someone pointed out here, there is no way Reed could have known six years ago what the online recruitment landscape would look like in 2007..... personally I would like to see Reed become a 'low cost' model taking on the 'Monsters' of this world. I don't think anybody wants to see the small genuine recruiter priced out , - just the chancers who continue to give the recruitment industry a bad name.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | RoyRoggers |
| Date: | Sunday, 18th Nov 2007 16:32 |
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"I feel REED should withdraw their site"
What a stupid comment - If you dont want to use them after the change over then dont use them. Cutting off nose to spite face comes to mind!
They dont owe you anything!! - Why should Reed keep supporting your business for free?, supplying you with free candidates to place at significantly increasing costs to them?.
Im sorry, but reed are still providing you with 500 free job posts, dont be so ungrateful! - They are not a charity
You need to understand that it costs significant sums of money now to drive candidates to a job board - online and offline marketing for any job board is now very expensive, job seekers do not fall from the sky!
Its simply not cost effective for Reed to keep chucking money at marketing their online facility to support freeloaders and i think five years of charity is enough for any organisation!
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Jimmy |
| Date: | Monday, 19th Nov 2007 09:26 |
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I have been on the phone to Reed this morning and unfortunately it looks like they are making themselves the most expensive generalist board in the market. We have no issues with paying however their prices are a little high and this was a for a job package of 500 jobs.
One extreme to the other!
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Karen Lankly |
| Date: | Monday, 19th Nov 2007 10:00 |
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Hi Jimmy - what were they quoting you for a package of 500 jobs?
Was that just for branded job postings over your 500 free allocation or also for CV database searches?
These prices on their website this morning do look quite high to me:
CV Packages
10 CV Download Credits Only £15 per CV £150
50 CV Download Credits Only £9 per CV £450
100 CV Download Credits Only £6 per CV £600
Guaranteed Response Packages
1 Guaranteed Response Job Only £50 per job £50
10 Guaranteed Response Jobs Only £40 per job £400
100 Guaranteed Response Jobs Only £30 per job £3,000
Combined Packages
10 CV Downloads and 10 Guaranteed Response Jobs £500
50 CV Downloads and 10 Guaranteed Response Jobs £800
100 CV Downloads and 100 Guaranteed Response Jobs £3,500
I am still keen to advertise on Reed as the ad response in the past has been very good, but I am obviously interested in getting the best deal from them.
Has everyone only received 500 credits per agency or have some of you received 500 credits per consultant?
I will let you know as soon as I hear back from Reed.
Karen |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Jon Ritchie |
| Date: | Monday, 19th Nov 2007 10:26 |
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The pricing structure is simply greedy and out of line with other job boards!
Perhaps Reed should look at agencies purchasing 'slots', that can be used and updated as the user see's fit. A similar set up to say 'SecsinTheCity'?? |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Jimmy |
| Date: | Monday, 19th Nov 2007 10:45 |
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Hi Karen,
They said £6000 for £500 jobs, but these were not just any jobs...these were Guaranteed Response, Refreshed, Branded, Highlighted….jobs.
I said forget all that I just want 500 jobs no different to what I was currently getting and he said this would be more expensive!!! What are you on mate?
I think Reed are letting a load of jokers answer the phone. When I rang the guy didn't even know what company he was representing.
Also what is this Guaranteed Response rubbish? I am fed up of job boards saying you have had a good response. Yes but 60% of them are not even in the UK and 30% were not relevant. It is quality not quantity guys.
Online advertising makes it so much easier for timewaster to apply therefore if Reed really wanted to make a difference they should have called it Guaranteed UK and Relevant Response.
If they do not quickly revise their pricing models I think Reed are going to find a lot of agencies leaving after they have used their 500 jobs. Also I bet the job numbers will drop massively. Before today we posted the same job up to 3-4 times in different categories.
Jimmy |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Karen Lankly |
| Date: | Monday, 19th Nov 2007 11:37 |
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Hi Jimmy, I have just spoken to Reed and you are right - the guy I spoke to had no idea how the old system worked, so I guess they have just put it through a call centre - sounds like it's abroad somewhere.
Here's what I was quoted:
10,000 job postings and unlimited CV search (fair use policy 300 CV downloads a day) £25K a year
10,000 job postings £20K a year
2,400 job postings (240 of those will be featured jobs) and 12,000 CV downloads £12K a year
500 job postings and 1,200 CV downloads £6K a year
Job postings can be added to packages in units of 100 for £1K
CV downloads can be added to packages in units of 100 for £400
Paid for ads will be branded and will rank above free ads, they will be automatically refreshed on day 4, 8 and 12 and then can be manually refreshed every 7 days.
Vacancies can be posted for a maximum of 6 weeks, can still be edited and each job will cost 1 credit.
Free ads will only be able to be manually renewed once every 7 days.
CV searches will only bring up the candidate's summary details and 1 credit will be charged for viewing / downloading the full CV - so effectively you won't be able to see if the candidate is suitable until after you have paid!
It will be very interesting to see what happens, but I think at these prices Reed looks like a very unattractive offering and the other paid for job boards must be delighted!
I would think that the volume of candidate traffic will drop off sharply as the volume of ads does (as I can't see a lot of agencies paying these inflated prices) and with the opening of the CV database the effectiveness of the site will also drop as a candidate applying exclusively to one agency for a specific job will also now be likely to be contacted by several other agencies.
I think you have missed a great opportunity here Reed to convert the vast majority of your current advertisers into loyal paying customers - if the pricing was very competitive, I think you would have been able to create a very successful paying client base, but as it is I think you board will lose candidate traffic as the volume of ads drops off sharply.
We would have been very happy to come on board, but not at these prices.
Karen
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | RoyRoggers |
| Date: | Monday, 19th Nov 2007 12:13 |
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Jimmy,
You said it...
"Before today we posted the same job up to 3-4 times in different categories"
Exactly, in my book thats spam!, with less junk posting the user experience on the site is going to be a whole lot better.
Also, there is nothing worse than having your own jobs drowned on reed by garbage jobs being constantly "refreshed" by recruiters like Jimmy who think its OK to do so.
In all the fees for Job posting and CV search i think represent very good value. You dont need many placements to make the costing viable and you still get the 500 free job posts to boot.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | PJ |
| Date: | Monday, 19th Nov 2007 12:20 |
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This is the beginning of the end of online free recruitment - just a matter of time now - Reed dipped their toes in the water last year - now they are taking it a step further - lets hope as Karen said they have not lost a great opportubnity to convince recruiters that Reed are worth staying with - the jury will be out for some time. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Jimmy |
| Date: | Monday, 19th Nov 2007 12:40 |
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Roy Roggers it is not spam it is called ensuring that the job gets a better response rate as some positions can be applied to different job sectors and sub categories.
For example an IT Sales position can go in the Sales section and also the IT section under IT Sales.
So it is not spam my friend!!! Spam would be advertising a job that did not exist. I agree then new move will eliminate this type of recruiter.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | RoyRoggers |
| Date: | Monday, 19th Nov 2007 13:15 |
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All,
The jury is not out - Its sound commercial sense for Reed to make this move.
Based on the current job numbers if only one in ten recruiters take up paid advertising deals thats over 1200 recruiter clients and based on just the 6k package as indicated above thats over £ 7.2 million in turnover!
If Reed can convert a higher number than one in ten or sell more of the top end packages at £25k a pop then they are looking at even higher levels. For example:-
Convert 3 in 10 to £6k packages and 1 in 10 to £25k packages and they have a potential sales turnover of £ 52 million
So whos stupid now??????
Jimmy,
Yes it is Spam... in your words, you are posting "the same job 3-4 times in different categries"
I will accept one job featuring within two sections as standard, IT & Sales in your example as being two sections. But when you start posting the same job 3-4 times it starts being spammy and when recruiters re-word the same job 3-4 times in top and then keep refershing those jobs then it becomes total spam!
Advertising jobs that dont exist to attract candidates is phising |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Not a freeloader |
| Date: | Monday, 19th Nov 2007 16:47 |
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Finally at last....the market is being shaken up...and the freeloading will or hopefully stop. no more spammy crappy job adverts put together by someone who only uses crayons and creativity has become a byword...and hoping to pass it off as the job of the day or month...please don`t insult the intelligience of the job hunters...and no I`m not a candidate etc |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | RachelJ |
| Date: | Monday, 19th Nov 2007 18:14 |
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I dont work for Reed but i do think think Reeds service is a valuable one and worth paying for.
10,000 Jobs for £25k is a lot of jobs and it works out at less than £2.50 a job advert.
I dont know about anyone else but you try and get a job advertised for 6 weeks for £2.50 in the press.
They should be charging double!
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | MainlyPerm |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 10:36 |
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I agree with Karen. I am more than prepared to pay for Reed as it has provided a good response in the past. However, I am being quoted £1,250 a month for unlimited downloads (dropping to circa £1,000 if I take out a 12 month contract) and no additional jobs.
Pay as you go doesn't work, on Monster or Total I will look at 50 CV's before I see one that is suitable...
At this price, Reed are pricing themselves out of the market. Fully prepared to pay, but let's get reasonable and a little closer to the other job boards! |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Karen Lankly |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 11:34 |
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Hi MainlyPerm,
If you do a CV search on Reed now you will see the results that you will get if you sign up for CV downloads - all you get is a summary page and not the full CV - the information on the summary page is pretty sparse and I don't see how you would be able to tell from this whether the candidate was suitable for your vacancy or not.
Added to which, I don't believe that all the candidates who have registered with Reed will be putting their CVs on the database and the candidates who are in jobs (the ones you usually want) are unlikely to be broadcasting the fact that they are looking for a job.
So I'm not really sure what the value of the database is?
I am being quoted several different prices by Reed, reducing significantly from their ratecard - So far I have been quoted £7.50 per posting, £7.00 per posting, £5.00 per posting and this is for 500 premium jobs (not for 10,000) - what is everybody else being quoted per posting?
Karen |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | recruiter_opinion |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 12:01 |
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not sure if anyone remembers but i started this same topic last year in the summer when we were approached by Reed about paying for the site. We were at that time quoted £1500 per month and negotiated down to £500 a month but then we actually thought we would not pay anything as Reed (at that time) appeared to be targetting just the agencies who they deemed had received a high ad response. This was confirmed by the responses to the posting where most respondees had not been approached and we therefore felt that was unfair from Reed.
As such, they dropped the issue.........until now!!
Yes, they state the service will always be free but we all know that cannot continue yet as with others' comments above, provided they are being fair and equal to all users, and in line with other job board prices, we don't mind paying for a quality service.
My argument at that time was the volume of response bears no impact on the quality and it would be fairer to pay against job postings as opposed to ad response which seems to be what they have now decided to do.
Therefore, the days of freebies seem to be coming to an end, however let's be positive about this. CLIENTS who started using Reed exactly because it was free may revert back to agency use only now.
Either way, if the charges cannot be agreed then we all have a choice over whether to continue using the site or not. if we do not post our ads, it will lessen Reed's candidate response and flow to their site so I do hope Reed appreciate there is a symbiotic relationship between them and us.....!!
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | on my own |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 15:13 |
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Reed have just told me that you do not get to see the candidates name before downloading any CV's (unlike totaljobs which at least gives the name).
This would stop me paying for CVdatabase access as how do I know if the CV I'm downloading is not someone I've rejected/placed/is already on my database?
Prices seem reasonable for job postings although you are tied into a 12month contract - at least with totaljobs you can pay month by month. £7K + VAT for 1000 jobs, can pay monthly with no extra charge. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Jo B |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 16:05 |
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Hello!
I use Reed and did not receive the email, and only found out about the changes by reading this thread!
I have no problem paying for a good service and phoned Reed this afternoon to ask about pricing. I was informed that 100 standard job posting would cost £900! Wow!
At that price I am very glad that most of my candidates come from referrals and recommmendations.
Jo
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | BobaJob |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 16:22 |
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Someones adding jobs..
Job Total up from 358,103 yesterday lunchtime to 377,811 Currently thats nearly 20k gone on. So someones paying or people are using up their 500 free jobs pretty quickly.. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | mista dobalina |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 16:30 |
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pay peanuts, get a monkey...
i reckon you're all pretty darn lucky to have gotten such a great product for so long for so little (well, nothing then)
stuff for free is a false economy...maybe now all those agencies relying on freebies will actually have to come up with viable business models, do some real work to place candidates and justify their fees...
it's all about separating the wheat from the chaff... |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Richard |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 16:42 |
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Have any of you heard of the term 'Economics'? Maybe some of you studied it at college or university?
Think of the AMT coffee at a station, they pay more rent because the landlord knows they get a huge amount of footfall. AMT charges you more for coffee because it knows it has a captive audience that does not want to go out of its way to get a starbucks etc.
My point with the above is this: if you have a business model which captures the market and delivers real and significant value, the economics predecate that you will pay a higher price for it.
Reed was NEVER going to always be free and if you could not see this from the get go, I'm guessing you don't run a business but simply work for one.
Bandwidth, storage, office overheads and staffing all add up and if you are a 'for profit' like Reed, you will not continue funding something for free, indefinitely.
Reed.co.uk, if anything, was an extremely well executed piece of marketing where you guys help them build the biggest jobsite and they profit from the applicants as much as you.
Reed are delivering the results otherwise you guys would not be bitching so much. Get over it, negotiate a deal with Reed for your postings and continue getting the success you were before.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | on my own |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 17:05 |
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Richard - you are entitled to your opinion however I would urge you to read most of the threads.
Yes, some are peeved off and fair enough to them. Others are business owners relating facts and figures to other business owners so we can all make an informed decision. From my point of view, it's a valid point to ask about viewing a candidates name before downloading a CV as I'm sure you'll agree, paying for something you already have will certainly waste money. It's also valid to discuss the prices Reed may charge in relation to other similar products on the market, I think thats called budgeting.
I suggest if you are the type of person who views any written conversation as bitching then perhaps take a step back before adding your two cents worth. I'm sure if we were all in a meeting room together the conversation would have covered exactly the same points.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Rookie Recruit |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 17:06 |
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I have read all the (many) posts and would like to make just one point that nobody seems to have noticed.
A point which makes me so annoyed that no-one has noticed I have had to make some points in capitals!
Reed is a Recruitment Agency.
A competitor to all of us.
An agency which publishes a website which we all use (For free) to post our vacancies.
What makes Reed so good is that the candidates could pick the roles they applied for meaning that you got a high number of 'exclusive' candidates (Well exclusive if you include Reed as well).
This 'exclusive' quality will drop once they open up the CV database to all an sundry.
Am I missing something here? |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Karen Lankly |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 17:30 |
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Hi Rookie Recruit,
Your point is a good one, but apparently reed.co.uk is now a different company to Reed the agency (although in the same group)
Candidates who put their CVs on reed.co.uk have always been available to Reed the agency, but now they will be searchable by anybody that signs up for the CV download offering - such as it is.
I am led to believe that if a candidate doesn't sign up to the CV database, then their CV will only be seen by those agencies whose jobs they respond to, which seems fair enough.
Reed have never stolen a client from me (I don't see how they could as I don't advertise my clients' names on my job postings?) As for candidates, they will be loyal to you if you provide them with an excellent service and in most cases we do not have a problem with candidate loyalty and I can't remember one incidence of Reed staling a candidate from me. Almost all the candidates I have registered via reed.co.uk have never been contacted Reed the agency - but i guess this may be different in different sectors.
If they do as you say, they will not find many agencies signing up with them for a 2nd year so it wouldn't make good business sense to do that really.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Inside Man |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 20:03 |
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Just come across tis thread and there's some very valid points, and some pretty niaive ones as well.
A someone who has worked both as an Agency Consultant and an In-House Recruiter, and used reed.co.uk to make and save money, I'm quite happy to pay a fair amount to advertise if it starts providing value.
The most relevant posts for me are the ones that highlight multiple listings for the same vacancy and continued renewal, which all lead to a messy user experience. Candidates apply to 10 listings thinking they've covered their bases, when in fact they've only applied to 4 jobs. If my own experience as a candidate is anything to go by, they'll probably not get a response to any of them. The number of pages they will click through is limited, and with less rubbish there's a greater chance they'll actually read my ad before getting bored. From a client perspective, £20k a year isn't a big outlay. I spend more than that a month on agency fees. .
As a final point, I think I'm right in saying that one of the initial divers behind making reed.co.uk free was the data that reed could collect on salary surveys, job availablity per region, industry trends etc, all of which was collated and sold on. With the way the site has evolved and so many bogus postings I'm not sure that it's possible to get that anymore. If all they get out of it is access to candidates, there are far cheaper and more effective ways to use their resources to achieve that for themselves without also helping others at the same time. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | JR |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 21:18 |
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I agree with you Karen.
I don't see how sending the jobs that recruiters add to a Reeds office would help them steal the clients anyway. Those jobs are added to reed's site for everyone to look at so what would be the advantage.
I'm sure we've all looked at other jobs on job sites and tried to work out who the companies are. That's just the norm isn't it?
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | TheInsider |
| Date: | Tuesday, 20th Nov 2007 23:14 |
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Rookierecruit, take it from someone who has worked there that the idea Reed systematically tries to poach jobs you post on reed.co.uk for the branch-based business is hilarious!!
Firstly, no one in the organisation is daft enough to not make the correlation between Reed doing that and reed.co.uk job-posters stopping posting jobs - so it'd be a pretty short term strategy (and given competitors have been advertising on the site for many years now I think that bears the argument out)
Secondly, even if the company did want to take such a short term view, anyone who has worked in a regional role for a network recruitment business will know what I'm talking about when I guarantee that the chances of implementing it effectively in a disperate organisation of 3,000+ consultants across 400+ branch teams and line managers are pretty slim!!
Back in the real world, Reed has been carrying your job postings for free for years and has acted in good faith throughout, and is now going to carry on letting people advertise 500 free jobs. Clearly there's value in this for Reed, it is a symbiotic relationship not some act of charity - but certainly not a parasitic one.
Anyway, I've clearly got an interest in this discussion, so despite the accuracy I can bring I promise this is my last post on the matter. Enjoy the debate! |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | BobaJob |
| Date: | Wednesday, 21st Nov 2007 10:57 |
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I'm not bored honest,but if you hit your refresh button on Reeds homepage it will toggle between 2 job total figures for 1 minute and then another 2 for another minute and so on..
As their jobtotal is still rising when you think it should be dropping in line with the site traffic that is showing, me thinks someone maybe manipulating the figures???........ |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | melaniem |
| Date: | Wednesday, 21st Nov 2007 12:44 |
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Ok - I started this whole moan a thon; I only feel its fare that I make some further comment.
To be honest I agree with points everyone is making and disagree with a lot of the points people are making - that’s what this forum is about. My opinion is clearly not that of everyone’s but hey we get that right?
I would have absolutely no problem with Reed charging me if they weren't a Recruitment agency themselves, but the simple fact of the matter is I have looked at their website everyday from a client and a candidates point of view and the first 2 pages in most sections i.e. admin, finance, HR all of the jobs that are advertised are Reed jobs/Reeds own clients jobs! why should I pay as much for them as I do any other jobs board when I am still generating applicants for them/their clients, at least with total jobs/monsterfish 4 etc etc they are not a competitor (not that I consider reed a competitor) what next Monster/total become a recruitment agency and they use all of the information we have pumped on to their database to screw us over?????
also the fact that Reed really haven’t rolled this out properly is slightly frustrating - when the letter was sent out to us recruiters then we called in drones to get quotes no one seemed to know the cost, I spoke to 3 different people using 3 different names and got 3 totally different quotes but these were not definite quotes as they had a meeting to go to to finalize these - I was promised a call back TWICE still not heard anything.
I started this topic out of frustration and anger and just wanted some questions answered but I am sorry to say all I have gained is more questions to ask!!!
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Simon |
| Date: | Wednesday, 21st Nov 2007 13:20 |
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Simon Here
Why is there a request to make myself known?
It is best i keep myself anonymous.
I am pleased and honoured that my metaphor and comment about the REED Wall built by Agencies has enthralled you and is now sprouting across the interent.
I had for a fleeting moment taken custodianship vicariously for the Recruitment industry but the Industry will take its own path.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Karen Lankly |
| Date: | Wednesday, 21st Nov 2007 13:30 |
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Hi melaniem,
I agree with you - it is very frustrating trying to compare Reed's packages with other job boards as it's not really comparing like with like.
I am still negotiating with Reed and the cost just keeps on dropping!
But other options are also looking more attractive and I am now thinking about not bothering with Reed at all and spending the extra advertising budget more productively elsewhere.
I think Reed have over priced it and that if they had come in at a significantly lower level than the other job boards, but still charging, lots of us would have been happy to just say yes immediately as we know the response we have been getting up to now for free has been good, most of us always knew Reed would start charging at some point and despite the site's shortcomings (the major one as you mentioned obviously being that it's run by a recruitment group) it would still have represented good value.
I have had a look at some of the branding appearing on the premium jobs and I must say that I am not at all impressed at what you get for your money - the search listings that the candidate sees are unbranded apart from Reed ones - which seem to now have a blazing sun icon and the letter R - so even though you are paying for branding for premium jobs - the candidates won't see it until they select which job details they want to view and all Reed jobs seem now to also be featured on the right hand side of the search results as well.
Even though you will be paying for premium jobs, you will still not be able to put your phone number, email or web address in the text of the job posting and that will only be available if candidates click through onto your profile page - which incongruously seems to have the wording 'R Apply now for jobs from Reed' at the top of the individual client profile page (not sure I would be happy to pay for that!)
If agencies desert in droves, candidates will too and response levels will drop.
Overall - it's looking less and less attractive and more like Reed's own in house job board.
Not convinced!
Karen |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Richard |
| Date: | Wednesday, 21st Nov 2007 14:00 |
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I think the fun thing here is that the group that I work for has 5 accounts with reed one for each specialist company, yet not one of the companies had any communication from REED about this and now all their servers are slightly messed up so were not getting the applicants. from a business point of view it makes excellent sense for them to start charging us, unfortunately for them the quality of response is terrible when compared to others (Monster, Total Jobs, Jobsite) it may get you volume but what use is volume when you are working in a specialist industry?..
Long term wise is can only damage what they have created by giving every recruiter access to the CV database as candidates will soon cotton onto the fact when they start getting 50 calls in a morning...
good luck to them on it tho. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | TheOutsider |
| Date: | Wednesday, 21st Nov 2007 14:39 |
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I dont see what the fuss is about
You are all reaping what you have previously sown - If you were not such a free loading bunch of hypocrites in the first place you wouldnt have started using reed !.
The fact is the service was promoted as free (nothing in this world is free, you all know that), reed gained at the time, so did you lot. Win, Win.
Now the landscape is different. It costs Reed a small fortune now in both online and offline marketing to secure traffic to its site, its taken the view that it doesnt want to spend these vast sums promoting competitor recruitment agency sites that wont contribute to its vast running costs - lets face it, if you lot were not in the market Reed would enjoy an even greater market share! - Reed do not want your spammy, multi posted similar worded free job adverts - What they have now done is sound business sense.
Many of you have no idea what so ever of the costs involved in securing good job seeker flows to a website and you are all in cloud cuckoo land if you think you can replicate what Reed have achieved in five minutes by building your own site - You are at least 8 years behind them and some!.
I cant think of ANY other industry where a business would support a competing firm in any shape or form as you lot have done with Reed. But, despite this the ship has finally now reached its destination and its where you go from here?
The fact is that Reed currently enjoys significant traction in the market, it has a greater reach than ANY other job board including Monster Jobs and is almost double the size of Jobsite. Its a major player now in the market - face the facts!
So, as i see it, you either shut up and pay up or look at options with advertising elsewhere but in the meantime, if you are not paying, at least you still have your free 500 jobs to munch through into 2008 so its not a problem this side of christmas anyway is it!
It was just a matter of time |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | The Newcomer |
| Date: | Wednesday, 21st Nov 2007 16:12 |
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Reed have provided us Recruitment Consultancies & Agencies with a free service for so long. We should be grateful for what they have given us. I know our company have made a fair amount of commission over the years from successfully placing an applicant from using their site and they've not made a penny for providing us with these candidates credentials.
Stop being so god damn greedy!!
I don't agree with the Pay as you go CV downloads....you should be able to pay a one off fee (yearly/quarterly/monthly) for access to the database and be able to download however many CV's you like.
But all in all I think what they are doing is justifiable.
Cheer up.....it's nearly X-Mas! |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Monster |
| Date: | Wednesday, 21st Nov 2007 16:21 |
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Monster has no further affiliation to Hudson apart from a client\provider relationship. Hudson are based in Chancery House in London, the same as Monster's London office but have you been in this building - It is huge! (not Monsters largest office by the way - that is in Glasgow)
TMP was subject to an MBO so they no longer have an affiliation here either. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Stephen O'Donnell |
| Date: | Wednesday, 21st Nov 2007 16:22 |
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I suggested that the REC that they should setup a Freecruitment style site exclusively for members 7 years ago.
Effectively owned by the REC members, it would have driven up membership, and given them greater clout in the online sector.
"It'll never catch on" they said. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | JimmyJ |
| Date: | Wednesday, 21st Nov 2007 16:45 |
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You must be our very own Hero, Stephen - NOT!
Perhaps, you could start up a free generalist job board like Reeds now....
All you need is a bit of hard work and one of those packages from Madgex or similar for about 7k and away you go!
...forgot to mention the 20 staff you need for ongoing sales, marketing and technical support oh and the £1 million plus a year you need to spend on online marketing to get any decent levels of job seeker traffic to it, but you could always club together with a few friends.
Still as Newcomer posted.. at least its nearly Christmas
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Karen Lankly |
| Date: | Wednesday, 21st Nov 2007 16:51 |
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Hi Stephen,
I love the REC idea - this would help raise job seekers awareness of REC and would certainly boost membership - there must be some economies of scale as REC are already marketing themselves.
Come on REC - what do you think?
Karen |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | james |
| Date: | Thursday, 22nd Nov 2007 00:42 |
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Monster / Hudson
Have I been in the building - yes I used to work there – so I do feel as though I know what I’m talking about, and it’s not just the London office where Monster and Hudson work together.
They are linked and I know they have tried to 'create' separate entities but they are still intrinsically liked whether you like it of not. Monster did what Reed is doing now. Reed Recruitment Group is the parent company for the job board and the ‘agency’ entities. Monster had probs selling as they had a recruitment arm when it was all branded tmp, hence tmp’s recruitment agency arm became Hudson. Not sure if Reed will face the same probs though as most of us have used it for years knowing they might be a competitor but have obviously felt the rewards are worth it.
I would like to mention a couple of facts though; when you post a job it is not flagged into the branch / consultant that covers that area for Reed, additionally, job seekers choose if their cv is available to Reed, Reed’s partners i.e people who will pay to search the database, or no-one at all other than the ad they respond to. Like it or not, Reed as an agency is successful from building a reputation over 40 years, not from developing a website. If anyone thinks Reed as an agency is going to somehow benefit from this then they are delusional, I have seen the damaging effects first hand at TMP/Hudson/Monster.com
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | Rachel |
| Date: | Thursday, 22nd Nov 2007 10:08 |
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James
Are you saying that reed.co.uk is going to operate / break away from the recruitment agency side and act as a seperate company like the monster/Hudson/TMP arrangement?
Only problem is that the reed website is used by Reeds consultants and lets face it, a lot of its use is by job seekers that may have / or are about to visit Reed to see what jobs they are trying to fill at Reed.
Whilst the website trades as reed.co.uk it will always be "reed recruitment" - The only way this could change is if the website had a new identity and was called something totally different to Reed. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | james |
| Date: | Sunday, 25th Nov 2007 22:53 |
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Hi Rachel
I don't know exactly how this will pan out although I do know Reed has made significant changes internally to try and distance the site from the agency, in as much as Reed the agency also have to subscribe to the board and that internal memos talk about the site as though its a different company. Maybe it provides a tax concession too but my feelings are that the job board will run into difficulty with competitors being reluctant to give Reed money regardless of the board’s performance, the same as tmp / monster. It will be interesting to see how things go over the next 12 months really, to see what impact this has on Reeds job numbers. One thing I do know is that Reed's consultants have to advertise each job 3 times to get numbers up. I also find it interesting that Reed's biggest competitor Hays, don't use Reed’s job board. It will be interesting to monitor any market share changes in the two sites over the next 12 months. Reeds consultants are trained/ brainwashed to push what is perceived to be their USP - Reed is the UK's biggest job website, what they fail to acknowledge is that this is the biggest agency website, not the biggest job board which I believe is jobcentre or totaljobs although I am sure someone will correct me.
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | JT |
| Date: | Monday, 10th Dec 2007 15:07 |
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Hello, just for anyone that does read this. I do work for Monster currently and we are not a part of Hudson or vice versa. The reason Monster and Hudson share building space is simple -
We used to be part of the same group.
Now we are not but it doesn't make sense for either business to move from the offices we are based at.
The process isn't like a divorce - it would be madness to have to relocate either company. |
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| Re: Reed.co.uk - Free Recruitment??? |
| Author: | sue ledingham |
| Date: | Thursday, 13th Dec 2007 00:41 |
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REEDS GREED!!
I am a small agency and wont be able to afford Reeds fees, and why should I pay reed to advertise my job only for them to take my candidates CV as well, and don't think they wont because they will, Although their free recruitment was good most agencies had to renew or duplicate their jobs several times to get a good candidate as a lot of their candidates were time wasters and useless,I cant see this working, we cant renew our jobs now and that's how reed got the amount of CV's, by us renewing or duplicating.
It did cross my mind that reed may stop agencies advertising on their site eventually, now that they have built-up their site and if this paying practice doesn't take off. Some people say why should we get a free site, remember their site wasn't free they were benefiting by taking CV's from us, there isn't anything free but I do object to paying reed who is also an agency when I can pay a job site knowing that they are not interested in the CV |
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