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| Reasons for using R2R? |
| Author: | Georgie Girl |
| Date: | Tuesday, 5th Sep 2006 10:56 |
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| Category: | Other | | URL: | http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=3332 |
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Hi. This question is not an invitation to knock R2R agencies but to understand the reasons they exist and why recruiters as job seekers use them.
Question: if a recs job is to track down and evaluate opps for candidates, logic says they would do the same for the themselves? Therefore, by knowing their (local) competition, and by making direct approaches to employers they would find a position without the help of an intermediary. However, given the number of R4R companies they must be fulfilling a need. So, why do recruiters use them?
Is it due to lack of time, their knowledge of what a company is really like, discretion, something else?
Technology makes it easy to name gather and make a direct approach to a potential employer. You can email direct 24/7. It is possible to make a call during the day to introduce self so I am intrigued.
Some of my peers who have recruited staff have commented that consultants sometimes use R4R simply to neg a better offer from their current employer.
Employers who have used R4R - how do the retention rates of R2R candidates compare with those recruited direct?
Welcome feedback from individuals who have used R4R, employers and R2R consultants.
Just to reiterate this is not an R4R bashing exercise.
Thanks
Georgie |
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| Re: Reasons for using R2R? |
| Author: | Rick |
| Date: | Wednesday, 6th Sep 2006 16:34 |
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I have worked within IT Recruitment for a number of years now. The number one reason from my experience is to save time on our part (aka laziness.) We all know that we should approach potential employers directly however to save time on our part we often contact R2R. The other value add from the candidate side is salary information which is harder to gage from an employer directly. Incidentally I approached my current employer directly but would consider using R2R in the future. |
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| Re: Reasons for using R2R? |
| Author: | mm |
| Date: | Wednesday, 6th Sep 2006 21:32 |
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there a loads of reasons why candidates use rec2recs
1 they have current local vacancies
2 They can ask and get answers from clients applicants may not get the answers for initially or applicants might not want to ask - salary, benifits and so on
3 the good rec2 recs will find all suitable positions from all local clients suitable for candidate
4 they can obtain the feedback a direct applicant might ot be able to get
5 the rec2rec can ask the client to negotiate on the salary
6 its free to the applicants
7 Godd rec2recs will go the extra length to help, guide and place applicants
and for clients: it is a rec2recs job to have a steady flow of good consultants constantly, to get a good flow of recruitment consultants hundreds of jobs have to be posted and re posted several times a day, employers simply dont have the time
The list is endless, if you are going to ask a question like this you might ask why an admistrator doesnt apply directly to companies??? |
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| Re: Reasons for using R2R? |
| Author: | Georgie Girl |
| Date: | Thursday, 7th Sep 2006 16:15 |
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Rick and MM thanks for your feedback.
MM the point about administrators is that generally speaking they lack the recruiters know how a distinction I was trying to make and the reason for asking the question. Maybe should have made that clearer.
The reasons you list are the same as the ones candidates should and do use us for. I am particularly interested in determining what the main drivers are which may be unique to the R2R/recruiter relationship.
Thanks once again.
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| Re: Reasons for using R2R? |
| Author: | Rick |
| Date: | Friday, 8th Sep 2006 12:00 |
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I must admit that poorly written adverts by R2R inspire me to find out who the end client is (i.e. the agency with the vacancy) and apply directly. On the basis that you wont come with a 3-5K fee attached it makes you a tastier proposition (especially to small to medium size privately owned clients)
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| Re: Reasons for using R2R? |
| Author: | Georgie Girl |
| Date: | Friday, 8th Sep 2006 15:18 |
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Hi Shelley. As I said in the original posting this is not an opportunity to have a go at R2R. Infact, I am conducting research for an associate who is thinking of starting up an R2R.
Before doing so it is important to understand the market and what people are REALLY buying or using R2R for in order to meet their needs. There is always a danger in assuming you know instead of asking the customer.
I would like to thank the recruiters that have responded todate.
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| Re: Reasons for using R2R? |
| Author: | Elizabeth Jacques Jones |
| Date: | Wednesday, 13th Sep 2006 11:17 |
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Hi Georgie Girl
There is a lot of debate around the quality of recruitment to Recruitment firms and I think like every other sector there are the good the bad and the middling. In order to mitigate the risk somewhat why not use Recruitment to Recruitment firms that have joined the REC sector group.
In order to be listed with the REC they have to sign up to a code of practice which outlaws all the poor practices that you will hear about in the recruitment media. Obviously it is not a guarantee but it does give a forum to complain if malpractice is suffered and the firm involved would be dealt with by the REC. In extreme circumstances this could involve expulsion from the sector group which would not be particularly good marketing for the company involved.
As a founding member of the group myself I know that all the MD's involved have a genuine desire to raise standards and to deal with poor standards if they are discovered.
As for reasons to use a recruitment to recruitment at all, well it should be about the briefing and debreifing that they can give you as a candidate because they have long term relationships with their clients so that you feel as if you have had a persoanl introduction. The whole experience will be far more beneficial than if you have approached directly. Additionally, it is far better to have a third party with intimate knowledge and understanding to negotiate on your behalf. I have very senior Directors as candidates who are perfectly capable of running their own processes but prefer to use my expertise and experience to handle the process on their behalf. There are lots of other reasons covered by previous respondents but please email me directly if you would like further help and advice.
Best of luck
Elizabeth Jacques Jones
Director
Prime Partnership
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| Re: Reasons for using R2R? |
| Author: | Bev |
| Date: | Wednesday, 13th Sep 2006 16:20 |
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When I relocated I registered with several agencies not really thinking about using R2R and I was getting no where. When approached by MIT whom I evemtually used, I was extremely impressed and within 2 days I had over 4 interviews lined up that were perfectly matched.
I think that with the industry knowledge and contacts they are ideally placed to assist and I know my employer still uses them as they screen through the rubbish and know exactly what they are looking for, which we do not have the time to do. They make the process so much quicker and I have found them to be extremely professional in comparison to high street recruiters who have gone dramatically down hill.
Of course there will be exceptions but I think they are invaluable in finding you the high quality recruitment personnel and fielding out the time wasters! |
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