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| Basic Salary on Offer - (suspect false figure) |
| Author: | Paul |
| Date: | Thursday, 29th Jul 2010 11:29 |
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| Category: | Fees and Terms of Business | | URL: | http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=210114 |
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Hi,
I've run my own business for 10 years, suppling permanent sales staff.
I have an issue that I've not experienced before, and wonder if anyone's got some ideas on how best to approach this.
In short, I have been working with a new client on a particular requirement, T&C's are agreed based on a % of Basic Salary.
The preferred candidate was asked to attend a final 3rd meeting this Monday. Prior to this meeting he received an email from the MD (which he forwarded to me at the time) the contents of which stated that the MD was hoping to offer him a role on the Monday "but that as he had come through a recruitment agency, the MD and him would have to discuss this at the meeting".
After two days of silence from the candidate (very unusual in itself), he finally communicated with me via text last night, saying that he has accepted the role and that he is joining the company on Monday. The company say the same.
My problem is that the Basic Salary level that I have been told about by both parties is approx 50% of what we were always working to, and indeed only 50% of the candidates last Basic Salary.
I suspect that the client & candidate are colluding to give me a false lower figure for the Basic Salary, with the purpose of obviously slashing my recruitment fee (I feel the candidate may have reluctantly gone along with this, as he was made redundant from his last position, and is of an age where he is probably thinking that offers will be thin on the ground).
Can I have peoples views on the best way to deal with this please? |
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| Re: Basic Salary on Offer - (suspect false figure) |
| Author: | Tom Atkinson |
| Date: | Thursday, 29th Jul 2010 12:13 |
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| Category: | Fees and Terms of Business | | URL: | http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=210114 |
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Hi Paul,
This is a tough one. Like you, from what you have reported, I suspect collusion. I presume you would not wish to do business with this company again. If so, then maybe the following would work:-
Write and say that you do not believe what you have been told and (as you clearly do not) will be invoicing on the basis of the proposed salary unless you are provided with sound evidence such as a hard copy of the original letter of offer showing the lower alleged salary or a copy of a real payslip proving it. Of course both of these could be forged but if the client thinks you will not give up then they might relent rather than forge documents and risk you taking them to court and demonstrating their lie (if you can).
If they provide the docs and you cannot catch them out as frauds, then you would have to consider wherther a court case would be winable. Of course if the claim is for less than £5k in any event, it might be wiorth risking a couple of hundred court fee as the client will not be able to claim his legal costs back even if you lose and again so again they might relent and pay up.
A tough one but good luck whatever your decision. If you need help with the small claims process drop me a line. Been there many times unfortunately. No one has given me a tee shirt but I've won lots of perm debt cases. Last one on Monday this week where a similar (too late ) defense was tried on after the "we agreed a £500 flat fee" one failed.
Tom.
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| Re: Basic Salary on Offer - (suspect false figure) |
| Author: | liz |
| Date: | Thursday, 29th Jul 2010 14:36 |
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| Category: | Fees and Terms of Business | | URL: | http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=210114 |
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Have you actually spoken to the candidate and guilted them into telling you? I know you've only communicated by text, but I'd be phoning them now and asking why they are taken a salary 50% lower. |
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| Re: Basic Salary on Offer - (suspect false figure) |
| Author: | Mitch |
| Date: | Thursday, 29th Jul 2010 14:51 |
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Screw the candidate. He or she just wants a job and will, understandably do what it takes to get one.
You should be talking to the client, for lots of reasons, some of which include learning more about client perceptions of agencies and seeing how you might resolve the issue so you can still trade with them in the future. |
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| Re: Basic Salary on Offer - (suspect false figure) |
| Author: | on my own |
| Date: | Thursday, 29th Jul 2010 15:48 |
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| Category: | Fees and Terms of Business | | URL: | http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=210114 |
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Do you have a clause in your TOB stating that if the salary level is not known then your fee will be charged on the basis of "comparable positions in the market generally for such positions"?
This might make your case to the client stronger. |
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| Re: Basic Salary on Offer - (suspect false figure) |
| Author: | Paul |
| Date: | Thursday, 29th Jul 2010 16:19 |
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| Category: | Fees and Terms of Business | | URL: | http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=210114 |
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Hello All,
Thank you for all the comments that I have read with interest.
The candidate is still not taking any calls, so I am no clearer at the moment to finding out exactly what is going on. So I think I've got some thinking to do still.
I will certainly revise my T&C's for the future though, and see if there is a fair clause I can add that would cover this, should a repeat happen at some time.
I think a "cards on the table" conversation with the SD is probably the best bet, and then I can judge what response I get.
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| Re: Basic Salary on Offer - (suspect false figure) |
| Author: | Brian |
| Date: | Friday, 30th Jul 2010 11:17 |
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Its a difficult one, but I think you have to swallow hard and invoice on the basis of what you have been told. With Sales roles its very easy to load the commission element of the package and present it to the candidate as "virtually guaranteed" earnings, and with both sides apparently telling you the same story, then this could have been the way the deal was agreed. the candidate may have reluctantly chosen to go along, so I think likley they will stay incommunicado...query the salary by all means with the SD, this should help you form a view as to whether you want to deal with them going forward.
I dont see how the term relating to "not knowing" the salary would help in these instances, where you have been informed of the salary by both sides. |
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