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 Keeping it together
Author:Selina
Date:Tuesday, 27th Jul 2010 14:19
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Category:Fees and Terms of Business
URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=210027

Hi everyone,

I would like some advice regarding terms of business.

I am finding more and more clients struggle to sign terms, maybe down to workload or they just cannot be bothered.

However I have and still do so now, have a statement within my terms which clarifies once the client interviews any candidate I put forward the terms become binding even without a signature.

Does this stand??

I don't want to be a position where a client disregards them. (lucklily haven't so far)

Thanks

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 Re: Keeping it together
Author:Tom Atkinson
Date:Tuesday, 27th Jul 2010 16:58
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Category:Fees and Terms of Business
URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=210027

Hi Selina,

Just out of court from winning a perm case in Birmingham today based upon terms not being signed before placement.

The answer is "Yes" - but -

Alweays send the terms with or before the CV and keep a copy of the e mail in case.

Good luck. Tom.

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 Re: Keeping it together
Author:liz
Date:Wednesday, 28th Jul 2010 18:37
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Category:Fees and Terms of Business
URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=210027

Also just had a minor issue with a client. The legal advice that I was given is that ideally you need:

Either signed terms OR
Email to state that they have received the terms.

If you don't have either of those then each case is taken on it's own merit and will depend on the people in court on the day.

So, we've started emailing and saying 'please either sign the terms or simply reply to this email to state that you've received them.'

This way those that cannot be bothered to print, sign and return have it much easier by just sending a quick reply.

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 Re: Keeping it together
Author:Ben Stoneham
Date:Thursday, 29th Jul 2010 10:05
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Category:Fees and Terms of Business
URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=210027

Hi Selina,

As Tom says, providing you have supplied your terms and conditions at the appropriate points in the process (before you supply them with anything else!), you should be in a position where you could claim as there would be deemed to be an implicit agreement to those terms (subject to usual tests of reasonableness, fairness etc).

That said taking people to court should always be the last option - Lawyers just get rich and if you have a signed set of Ts&Cs, you are much more likely to find a client will comply with them without recourse to legal action.

In our own business we've switched over to getting our contract terms and conditions done using electronic signatures. This makes use of digitally certified PDF documents sent via email and tracked online and as just as enforceable as a pen signature these days (If you want to try it, it's quite an easy thing to setup, email me directly and I'd be happy to help).

The benefit is that we can get a contract out, signed and back same day.. Our typical cycle for this was around 2 weeks and that was with some chasing (even when we supplied SAEs!). Customers seem happy with it too.

regards,

Ben

http://www.evolvedb.co.uk

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 Re: Keeping it together
Author:Chet
Date:Friday, 20th Aug 2010 15:42
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Category:Fees and Terms of Business
URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=210027

Hello Selina!

I use a the following company to get digital signatures on the Terms:

http://www.echosign.com/

I think they have a free trial. I was having the same difficulties as you but this seems to make it easier for the client and looks professional

Chet


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 Re: Keeping it together
Author:on my own
Date:Tuesday, 24th Aug 2010 21:07
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Category:Fees and Terms of Business
URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=210027

Have I missed something here - why is echosign different, don't most clients just print the TOB, sign and fax them back?

By the way Selina, we don't do any work until the signed TOB come back. If they don't, we feel that the vacancy is not properly qualified, therefore, not an urgent requirement.

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