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| Re: Candidate Fall out |
| Author: | pseudolus |
| Date: | Saturday, 22nd Jul 2006 15:43 |
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I may be stating the obvious but for the 6 months or so, we've been in a candidate led market (more candidates than jobs) which will mean that if you are using internet, out of work, or advert candidates, you can be damn sure they are applying and interviewing elsewhere.
In the past I have found that by positioning myself as someone in the middle who will fill the position with or with out the candidate I'm talking to, you can almost appear unbiased. This can often persuade candidates to be honest about everything else that they looking at. A simple script such as "You my feel that I can not be impartial because at the end of the day, I'll be earning a fee from this. You should appreciate that I will place someone in the this role, whether its you or one of the other people I'm talking to about it. Right now, we need to know if this is the right role for you. we need to know that if we work together in securing you this role, you will not only be happy, but also sure that it is progressing your career......" .
Using this, coupled with a Columbo style "how does this compare to other roes you are looking at currently" I often find that the actively seeking candidates splurge out everything they are looking at and gives you some control back.
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| Re: Candidate Fall out |
| Author: | Er Um |
| Date: | Saturday, 22nd Jul 2006 15:54 |
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Pseudolus
(Sorry to detract from this thread content, but the last post screams out at me)
From reading your two recent threads you sound a bit green to me.....how much experience in recruitment do you actually have? I'd take a wild guess to say you have spent 6-9 months in Contingency think this is beneath you and think that Head-Hunting (Search) is better suited, no doubt cause you are not that great a Consultant. I'd say you were in your early 20's - 20-25, have had 1 or 2 (possibly 3) short term stints in Contingency (therefore no track record) and think the big money is elsewhere? Prove me wrong! |
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| Re: Candidate Fall out |
| Author: | recruiter79 |
| Date: | Sunday, 23rd Jul 2006 00:03 |
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Am I going mad or have I just misenterpreted this conversation? Candidate driven market means more jobs than candidates right? So we're not tryin to lie, cheat and screw our way to a few quick pounds? Let me give you a clue - candidate driven market to me means find a good candidate, understand said good candidates needs and wants, then go out and work hard using your (supposed) talent and market knowledge to get that candidate interviews. Guys lets wise up for a second, door to door salesmen use scripts, can we please rise above that?
Put yourself in your candidates shoes. What would you want? |
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| Re: Candidate Fall out |
| Author: | Pseudolus |
| Date: | Saturday, 29th Jul 2006 18:29 |
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A few points people.
Firstly, yes I get confused between phrases such as candidate led and the such. Why? Because its an expression I've never really heard in any context except by a lot people who believe that they make their target depending upon what type of market it is. Sorry to offend you, but I don't care if I got this the wrong way round as it's not important to me.
Secondly. I never said that we as an industry "lie, cheat and screw our way to a few quick pounds". However, put yourself in the candidate's shoes. I hate to say it but recruiters do not have the best reputation (in the same area as estate agents if you’re interested) - anyone who has had a corporate career before switching will attest to this. I will stand by this 100% that sometimes we need to illustrate that we are not as bad as the reputation that our ersatz colleagues create for us, and if I need to use some kind of script (written down or otherwise), then I will.
And lastly, a big thanks for reminding me why I never usually contribute to boards such as this. I posted the first message because it is true. I am moving down south and wanted to find a company similar to the one I will be leaving. I did not post it because I wanted to make myself appear the hot shot. I mistakenly thought that this board was intended to help and offer advice, not to pillory and set upon new posters. As to my second post, I simply thought I could help, and had something to say. If I offended anyone then I am sorry. Well, actually no I'm not. How, from two posts, can someone assume the following
"I'd take a wild guess to say you have spent 6-9 months in Contingency think this is beneath you and think that Head-Hunting (Search) is better suited, no doubt cause you are not that great a Consultant. I'd say you were in your early 20's - 20-25, have had 1 or 2 (possibly 3) short term stints in Contingency (therefore no track record) and think the big money is elsewhere?"
I'd make a guess that this sorry tale of hard knocks does chart some up some peoples first foray into the recruitment world but not mine. I work for a decent company that works mostly retained, and when asking advice for new homes, thought it relevant to put down the type of firm I'd be interested in (if only all candidates were as thoughtful as me I hear you cry). And then, the responder tops it of with the arrogance and audacity that you would usually associate with a head hunter “prove me wrong”. My friend, you have proved every critic of database recruiters correct with your response. I love my job because I feel I am good at it, and I like helping people. I don’t need to prove or justify anything to you, or anyone else. What’s more, for your info, I’ve worked for only one firm, mostly retained (with a very healthy track record thank you very much). And finally, I am a head hunter. That’s what I do. Not showing off; not being wishful, it is the function that I have been trained to do, and can do very well. So, what is the point of me asking for advice for the types of firms to look at if I don’t say what function I can perform. It would be like saying on a builders board that I am looking for a job, and when all and sundry come back (in fact, if it’s similar to this board, criticize me) and offer roles, for me then to say “oh by the way, I’m a stone mason, and only work on listed buildings” rendering me useless to 90% of the people reading it.
Grow up and take a breather my friend. Thanks to those who emailed me by the way – I will be in touch shortly.
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| Re: Candidate Fall out |
| Author: | GJ |
| Date: | Saturday, 29th Jul 2006 22:00 |
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The original thread was about candidate fall out, and now its seems appropriate to throw around disparaging remarks about other contributors. If this is how you guys work, no wonder candidates take the p***.
My view, candidates will seek the best deal for themselves, however due to the drawn out and sometimes difficult dealings with recruiters, people take the first offer and keep looking.
As for the candidate led language, that shows a very limited and quite frankly disturbing mind set.
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