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 Recruiters own worst enemy
Author:Get with the programme
Date:Monday, 19th Oct 2009 09:42
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=194457

If we offer consultancy and profess to know our markets why are we still producing adverts that show how niaive and lacking in foresight we are? Furthermore, why are we accepting job briefs from clients that may not produce the best candidate?

Saw an advert on Reed- well known R4R advertising a role for a consultant stipulating candidates "must have min 2 years min recruitment sales experience". No encouragement to welcome high achievers with less experience to enquire (for this or other roles). No other information given to qualify why the term is so important.

Am I likely to apply if I have consistently (over) achieved my targets in the past 8 months or, have transferable record of achievement from another industry. Hhunters may argue that high calibre candidates will not respond to adverts but, how many of us check the market to compare and what's going on in our industry.

Isn't the client ultimate asking themselves "can this person make me money (consistently) regardless of climate?

Many of us have come across "jobsworths" in our careers who have tenure but are not effective. I would also suggest that a rec con with 2 years experience of consistent billing should be looking for career progression at least to senior or, some other way to broaden experience and refresh.

What does the wording imply about the R4R and the recruiting company?

I am not singling out R4R for a bashing - call up any advert on a job board and you'll see many examples.

Appreciate advertisements are used to raise profile and populate database but, will it produce placeable candidates?

Have the courage to challenge these stereotypical requirements regardless of who pays the bill and what the climate is like.

Think about the candidate.

Recruitment trainers would do well to produce a course and materials about how to write good copy (my free tip of the week).

Rant over - now going to put my 10 plus years recruitment experience into practice (ha, ha).




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 Re: Recruiters own worst enemy
Author:Mitch
Date:Monday, 19th Oct 2009 16:16
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=194457

Totally agree.

The recruitment sector, along with HR, have become obsessed with technology and the web and have somehow convinced themselves that having an ATS and throwing poorly thought-out job descriptions onto multiple job boards (often and inexplicably even allowing agencies to do it on their behalf) is some kind of panacea to all of their resourcing problems. Problems that are then compounded by them not even bothering to pick up the phone to any but the most obvious of candidates in terms of background.

Then there are the other recruiters that will steadfastly tell clients that the best candidates aren't looking at adverts and need to be headhunted - another myth hungrily lapped up by clients too stupid or too lazy to do anything but acquiesce.

The reason why good candidates don't respond to adverts is mostly because they look like they've been written by a dyslexic 10 year old or because they are saying nothing different to all the other hundreds of ads out there.

Like any form of selling (and the definition of advertising is simply 'selling in print') it requires a little effort and a little intelligence. This is ironic because most agency recruiters will try to convince you they know how to sell, when in reality all many of them are is at best, purveyors of the same tired old hackneyed cliches about how "dynamic and fast-growing their client is" and at worst, CV chucking chimps.


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 Re: Recruiters own worst enemy
Author:craig
Date:Monday, 19th Oct 2009 16:40
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=194457

I only care about finding placeable candidates rather than building a database of people you will never probably have a role for.

This said, I only advertise the roles with the least specific requirements, like if client needs an admin person or something. I find the best candidates are the ones that you search for on job boards or head hunt.

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 Re: Recruiters own worst enemy
Author:Getwiththeprogramme
Date:Thursday, 22nd Oct 2009 12:35
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=194457

Following on from jobboard adverts check your website and sales pitch and assess whether the primary focus in on you and your company or the clients and candidates.

Here's a tip - count up the number of times the following words appear:

We
Our
Us
My



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 Re: Recruiters own worst enemy
Author:Alasdair Murray
Date:Thursday, 22nd Oct 2009 16:51
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=194457

As a copywriter within the recruitment advertising industry I am astounded by the quality, or lack of it, of some of the job postings I see on the web. Some consultants seem to think that a cut and pasted job description is enough, plus if I had a pound for every time I have seen an ad start "Our client are" I;d have, ooooh, at least £2,53.

Seriously though, the lack of forethought and effort that goes into a lot of job posts that end up on the web is frankly amazing and a terrible advertisement not only for the specific ole being advertised, but the consultancy doing the advertising.

I can't think of one other example where advertising the actual product that will bring in the money is treated with such lack of effort. Imagine you were selling your car, you would surely talk about some of its features, not just say 'black car for sale. £5,000'? Similarly if you walked into a travel agents and they just threw some brochures at you and said 'pick one' you would never do business with them again.

The number of consultants who see writing job copy as a chore, a necessary evil, something to be put off until the very last moment are missing the point. That copy, that ad, is your lifeblood. Get it right and not only do you get a better quality of candidate, you also impress the casual browser, the potential client, the person who may not be quite right for that role but will certainly bookmark your site for future reference.

It's not rocket science. Sure, pile it high and sell it cheap, but at least get the basics right. Good copy sells. It separates the wheat from the chaff. it personally addresses the candidate and says 'look, this job is for you because..." What it doesn't do is say 'here;s a cut and pasted job description and a few grammatical errors, take it or leave it.

But then I am bound to say that as I write decent copy for the very same job boards, so on second thoughts, keep churning out bad copy. it makes mine look even better and guarantees my client decent response!

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 Re: Recruiters own worst enemy
Author:GETWITHTHEPROGRAMME
Date:Thursday, 22nd Oct 2009 19:22
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=194457

Thanks for the validation Alasdair.

Why not publish an ebook containing tips and hints on writing good copy for recruiters. I will be your first customer!

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